tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5954604416278665691.post3913599313816845647..comments2023-10-21T05:56:15.949-06:00Comments on Utah Savage: Bush Gets Ready To Pardon Chenney et alUtah Savagehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16385093247915560752noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5954604416278665691.post-40139427298765172822008-12-22T23:24:00.000-07:002008-12-22T23:24:00.000-07:00I think I've signed fifteen petitions today. But ...I think I've signed fifteen petitions today. But since Oran Hatch and a couple of other Bush puppets and Mormon guys mostly interested in obstruction are my elected representatives,<BR/> I'm pretty much pissing in the wind.<BR/><BR/>I have supported Kuchinich's efforts (I heart him too)from the beginning. But still, my emails get sent to Hatch and the other right- wingnuts.<BR/><BR/>Susan, I love the way you and Stella lay it out. I should publish both your comments together.Utah Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385093247915560752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5954604416278665691.post-26040847563665379342008-12-22T22:17:00.000-07:002008-12-22T22:17:00.000-07:00Cheney basically dared the monkey to not pardon hi...Cheney basically dared the monkey to not pardon him when he admitted to approving the torture of detainees.<BR/><BR/>This is a done deal. It will not be undone. About the best we could hope for is that Cheney would somehow find himself in The Hague.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5954604416278665691.post-67352564108105715232008-12-22T21:38:00.000-07:002008-12-22T21:38:00.000-07:00Is it legal for Bush to pardon himself? After Dow...Is it legal for Bush to pardon himself? After Downining Street has information to <A HREF="http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/cheney" REL="nofollow">impeach</A> Cheney.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://impeachment.kucinich.us/" REL="nofollow">Dennis Kuchinich</A> (I heart him!) introduced 35 articles of impeachment against George Bush. He did the same for <A HREF="http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm" REL="nofollow">Cheney</A>.<BR/><BR/>I'm betting Utah's right: he's already put the legislation in place to ensure he isn't charged for war crimes. Congress passed the law. The sad fact is that most Representatives don't have time to read all the legislation that pass their desk.<BR/><BR/>Places to visit:<BR/><BR/>*<A HREF="http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/selfpardon" REL="nofollow">After Downing Street</A><BR/><BR/>*Comment from same site by <A HREF="http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34837" REL="nofollow">John Dean</A><BR/><BR/>*<A HREF="http://www.alternet.org/rights/108317/can_george_w._bush_'self-pardon'_himself/" REL="nofollow">Alternet</A>: <I>According to attorneys whom I asked, there is no definitive legal answer. There is no case law on the subject and not even much legal analysis of the possibility... He can simply pardon Cheney (and everyone else) and immediately resign. Cheney then becomes president and pardons him.</I> There's a chilling thought, but it may be too late for that maneuver.<BR/><BR/>*<A HREF="http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0923-22.htm" REL="nofollow">Common Dreams</A>: <I>President Bush, to avoid a similar public outcry, is quietly trying to pardon himself of any crimes connected with the torture and mistreatment of U.S. detainees.</I><BR/><BR/><I>The "pardon" is buried in Bush's proposed legislation to create a new kind of military tribunal for cases involving top al-Qaida operatives. The "pardon" provision has nothing to do with the tribunals. Instead, it guts the War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal law that makes it a crime, in some cases punishable by death, to mistreat detainees in violation of the Geneva Convention</I>.<BR/><BR/>*<A HREF="http://www.democrats.com/pardon" REL="nofollow">Democrats.com</A> notes: <I>Presidential pardon power is nearly unlimited under the Constitution. We support efforts in Congress to outlaw pre-emptive or self-pardons, but even if a bill passes Congress before Bush leaves office, Bush will certainly veto it.</I><BR/><BR/><I>Apparently Congress passed a bill which automatically excuses President Bush from future War Crime charges.</I> [Digg Comment]<BR/><BR/>It appears Bush can still be impeached after he leaves office and brought to trial for crimes other than war crimes.<BR/><BR/>Yellowdog Granny, it's a difficult topic, and I don't even know if I've got all my facts straight. These links are in no way in depth. I'd have to be a lawyer to figure it all out. Susan is absolutely right quoting Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution. The president has the ability to pardon anyone.<BR/><BR/>Too bad more lawmakers didn't support Kucinich and Wexler.Stella by Starlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385761338190877425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5954604416278665691.post-3978385628936938042008-12-22T21:31:00.000-07:002008-12-22T21:31:00.000-07:00The presidential power to pardon is granted under ...The presidential power to pardon is granted under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.<BR/><BR/>"The President ... shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."<BR/><BR/>No standards, and only one limitation - no pardons for the impeached.<BR/><BR/>I'll sign it too but there are no limits on who a President can pardon without a Constitutional Amendment and although I don't see that happening soon, how about if Congress sent Bush a note like this:<BR/><BR/>'If you issue pardons that do not fit a reasonable definition of pardons, that in fact abuse the pardon power as you have abused so many other powers, we will support your immediate impeachment before or after you leave office.'<BR/><BR/>I'd like that.susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747450215034568033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5954604416278665691.post-28636911949097912662008-12-22T19:19:00.000-07:002008-12-22T19:19:00.000-07:00That's an interesting question. Wish I knew the a...That's an interesting question. Wish I knew the answer, but I have a feeling he's going to try it.Utah Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385093247915560752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5954604416278665691.post-63065943638685811472008-12-22T19:15:00.000-07:002008-12-22T19:15:00.000-07:00I'm siging it..can bush pardon himself?..he may ha...I'm siging it..can bush pardon himself?..he may have to..yellowdoggrannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14906624317290990109noreply@blogger.com